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this very very special anniversary

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celebration for Apollo 15 it's a special

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special event for me to be here be the

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chairman of the board of astronaut

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scholarship foundation as of last May

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it's a very very special event and we

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thank you all for being here and

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supporting us and honoring good friends

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and great American heroes the crew of

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Apollo 15 we've got people here from all

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of almost all over the world and so not

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only our US supporters but people

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friends from Italy and people from South

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Africa soon to be naturalized citizens

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or almost and and so we just appreciate

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y'all support

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it's what a great evening we're having

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as a newly elected chairman I must say

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it as an honor to be here and to lead

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such an amazing organization our staff

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has worked very very hard to pull this

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event off and so we hope that you all

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enjoy it and I want to thank all of them

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which I'll do appropriately in a few

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you know nobody needs to have me tell

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you how important the work that we are

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doing in this organization is you've

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heard from Ashley earlier and she is

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just one of hundreds of our astronaut

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scholars who are out there making

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scientific breakthroughs and leading

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America into our technological future

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the foundation could not award these

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scholarships with a course without your

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loyal support and so please continue to

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give and give big we hopes that we can

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increase our scholarships

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and support the new technological

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revolution in the u.s. it's I think it's

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one of the biggest investments we can

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all make is to help these aspiring young

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students and the in the science and

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engineering field we've got our sponsors

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logos are behind us here so I'd like to

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recognize our sponsors first our friends

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of the Courtyard by Marriott in Cocoa

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Maria Shelton is with him and Thank You

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Maria we appreciate all your great

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support thank you so much and a long

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time ASF Board of Trustees member and

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tremendous supporter of this

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organization Jim long and I know Jim was

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Sam so Jim earlier with Jim there yo hey

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Jim wave to the crowd and it's just very

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very special to have supporters such as

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Jim to be with us on just about every

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event we have as well as our friends

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from NASA who help support us Kennedy

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Space Center Director Bob Cabana is here

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there's where's Bob oh there's Bob they

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are our heroes Shuttle astronaut

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commander and center director his

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external relations director Cheryl is

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here is Cheryl and also Pam steel the

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chief of public services there's Pam

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yeah thanks Pam appreciate your support

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we're so glad that y'all could join us

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tonight and also here is Delaware North

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at parks and resorts they're operating

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the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Center

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I should say complex and so they are

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wonderful spa

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sir in a wonderful partner for us and we

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have been friends with Delaware North

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over the years and Bill Moore is here

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thank you Bill for supporting us we

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really really thank you for all that you

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do for the foundation and for the space

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program as a whole

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and finally we have Ron I mean Carl runs

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from who's our photographer there he is

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he does all the pictures and he's a

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faithful supporter for us and we

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certainly appreciate his his endeavor in

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his support so all of these

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organizations are supportive of the

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foundation and our mission to back the

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best and brightest college students

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producing pursuing their stem degrees

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science technology engineering and

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mathematics while we're also promoting

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the importance of technology and space

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exploration with events such as these

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thank the a SFF a yes astronaut

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scholarship foundation team and the core

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group of volunteers Lynn LeBlanc and

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worked tirelessly night and day and all

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the girls involved to Kristin's and

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everybody you'll wave your hands at

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least you're here I know we just thank

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it so much there they are

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for helping us out and just doing a

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great job to make it that's a wonderful

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evening for everyone I really enjoy

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working with them and to getting to know

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them on a personal level and also just

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to have this opportunity to work with

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such a great get bunch of gals that

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really believe in what we're doing the

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we also have a group of great break

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group of volunteers as I said who have

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always here to help us put together this

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great event tonight and they work on a

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daily basis for mourning tonight too

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sure that the foundation continues to

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grow and surpass of the the vision of

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its founders who were the original seven

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astronauts so let's give them all a

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round of applause and so to start our

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program off this evening we would like

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you to welcome a great hero and a great

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friend of mine a mentor of mine my good

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Thank You charlie

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ladies and gentlemen we gather this

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evening do you celebrate the 40th

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anniversary of the flight of Apollo 15

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to Hadley rim now 11 12 13 and 14 had

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but manned by a completely Air Force

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crew they would be the fourth flight to

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successfully touchdown on buna they

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called it a voyage to Hadley rill but

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that's a little like saying the shuttle

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exactly Apollo 15 actually landed

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intentionally at a place called Pallas

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in this building you will find that

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defined as the marsh of decay other

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Latin experts say a more accurate

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description is either the rotten marsh

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or the rotting Marsh the crew kept this

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defer to Dave and Al to explain why they

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picked it in the first place now all all

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controllers were familiar with the term

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sim the simulation exercises that we

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perplexing anomalies that inevitably

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different kind of sim it was the

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scientific instrument module right

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instruments for determine determining

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the hidden secrets of Luna now put

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yourself in Al's place you're on your

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first trip into space you find yourself

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thirty ton spacecraft and your crewmates

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you but you are in complete command and

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doing the pilot e doing the navigation

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housecleaning and in top of all that

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satisfaction of some very demanding

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principal events investigators back on

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earth and should the lunar module crew

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of an errant orbit after launching from

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lunar module and rescue your cue mates

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of crew mates all by yourself a very

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continually missed or neglected the

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importance and the difficulty of a CMPs

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job but all of us here tonight certainly

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the Apollo 13 and Apollo 15 crew were

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particularly physically fit they could

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ease so it's a bit ironic that they were

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the first to get a sort of a Jeep to

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ride around in of course the jeep added

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weight required the lunar module to have

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more fuel for the descent to the lunar

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surface and the extra fuel required

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bigger tanks and all of these plus the

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extra big macs that the crew demanded

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the Jeep which they called the LRV NASA

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loves acronyms did allow Dave and Jim to

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actually go from rotting Marsh over to

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Hadley room there by semi legitimizing

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they're calling the summer vacation of

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voyage to Hadley real much much of the

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film and recorded data from Al's sim

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were staying and it would be destroyed

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during the re-entry into the Earth's

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atmosphere so al had to put on his

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spacesuit and go out and get it he did

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an Eevee a somewhere out in that great

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unknown between Earth and Moon and

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retrieved the precious cargo information

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he had a panoramic view that to my

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completing a very difficult mission and

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they have my sincere congratulations now

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let's take a look back in time by video

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with the crew of Apollo 15 and the

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fly me to the moon let me play among the

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stars let me see what spring is like on

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fill my heart with song and let me sing

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forevermore you are all I long for

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I worship and adore in other words

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two up here and hopefully they'll hit

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my heart with song there's a simple

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plaque the 14 name and those are the

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names in alphabetical order of all the

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astronauts and cosmonauts who have died

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Apollo 15 some people probably wonder

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then and so we had three or four shifts

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between using three and four each team

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was led by a flight director but one was

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designated as the lead worked with the

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crew worked with the program office made

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sure everything was ready for the flight

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joe-joe about the same but Apollo 15

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beat us down we had a lot of fun with

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the flight it was and I'll be fast about

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this because we're running a little

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behind but there's there is a feeling

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some time about what it took to get us

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even to Apollo 15 and we stood on the

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shoulders of Mercury Gemini the first

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the point that we could fly 15 and so it

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was a it was a team effort built up from

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occurrence we knew what we were doing we

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were pretty cocky but we had pretty good

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reason to be or you we didn't know what

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we were doing and so I'm honored to be

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here to celebrate this one particularly

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Dave Dave and I over the years have

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remained very close we we've done a lot

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of things together and it's always nice

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to get the whole family back together

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though and that's what I feel like this

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wanted to say real quickly and you're

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gonna hear some more about this the Jay

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missions are what we call the last three

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missions Jay just was a block of

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spacecraft and as Neil and remind me

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never to follow Neil again

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that's a hard act to follow the Jay

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missions

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those last three spacecraft had had

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their over they had more state time we

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had the sembei that that al had to take

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care of but we've really had a very very

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capable team and I'm going to talk a

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little bit at that when I get the crew

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up here and it's now time to do that

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first of all I like to get commander

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Dave Scott in CMP no that other guy al

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worden get you to come up here and join

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me and probably another reason I'm not

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six feet one anymore the backup crew

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dick Gordon Vance brand and there's Jack

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Schmitt I couldn't even fight him on the

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road there we're missing one crewman if

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you'll note unfortunately Jim Irwin

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passed away in 1991 one heck of a pilot

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great guy to work with calm cool quiet

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reminds me a little bit of Neil

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Armstrong sometime didn't have a lot to

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say but when he said something you

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better listen because it was right and

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so Jim can't be with us tonight but we

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very happy to say that Mary is here with

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her family please stand up and where's

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stand up okay as I mentioned the Jay

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missions very much kind of the cream of

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the crop at the end of the program that

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we had been able to build on I think one

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of the the way I like to say it is that

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for the first several missions to the

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moon I know in the control center we

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were worried about the transportation

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getting them up there getting them back

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and make sure we didn't leave anybody or

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something happened though between 14 and

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15 we actually ended up we were very

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fortunate that they've Scott and we also

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had on the backup crew Jack Schmitt very

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much interested in the science oh I

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forgot Joe well I know I'm sorry I'm

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sorry

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that babyface guy you saw up there

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JoEllen Joe come on up I'm sorry that's

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all right Joe Joe was the Capcom for all

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of the EVs he was also I noticed that

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went back in the transcript he was also

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up there he was on duty for a lot of

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other stuff in that flight but and Jerry

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and yeah Jerry I know why he did it

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because I always thought it that you

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were the lead flight director I didn't

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work

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okay got it well anyway back to

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something more serious and the Jay

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missions we had we had two guys that

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were really we had a scientist is a

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backup crewman but we had a commander

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that really understood that it was time

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to kind of shift I think kind of shift

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the mode that we've been operating it

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from that transportation focus to a

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science focus and Dave came to me and

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said do you want to go out on a field

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geology trip with us and see what we

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actually do to get ready for this and

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also understand a little more about the

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moon and I jumped at it I had and it

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turned out it started to trend that from

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then until the end of the program we had

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a lot of program management even from

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NASA headquarters that went out with

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these crews later on and studied what

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they were doing in really got focused on

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it so we've really had to focus on on

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science and that's why I wanted to get

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Dave first to talk about kind of what

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led you down that path and also your

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value what you think about the value of

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that training the field geology stuff

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like all of it there are a lot of pieces

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to this sort of thing I was I was lucky

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and the cue I was lucky in the flights I

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got to fly and being able to get ready

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for 15 I'd flown

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jiminee eight more on that later Apollo

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nine and learned to command module I got

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ready for 15 and Jim Irwin was

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absolutely the expert in a lunar module

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I didn't have to learn much Jim was

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there al was so tuned into the command

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module didn't have to think about that

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so I had to find something to do I

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thought gee you know this rock stuff is

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pretty cool and so I was looking around

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we had these geology courses that pretty

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boring and finally Jack Schmitt came up

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and said hey I got the right instructor

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for you and I thought boy I sure hope so

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so all of a sudden shows up the silver

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from caltech who was absolutely the most

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brilliant professor I have ever had and

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he lit the fire he really lit the fire

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so I was lucky I got there at the right

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time I had a great professor and I had

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Jack as a tutor constantly so there was

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Jack there was Lee silver you know al

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had the command module handle Jim had a

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lunar module handled chute I had to I

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had the geology wired man how could I

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miss and that's where I really got to it

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yeah I bet you got more advice and stuff

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from Schmitt than you probably wanted to

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have but we'll let him filibuster on

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that in a minute

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being a former senator al is your first

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flight you went all the way to the moon

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did all that do you have any surprises

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any surprises that came up surprises on

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a flight yeah we had a few I guess

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nothing really heroic or catastrophic we

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had a water leak inside the command

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module one day now you might not think

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that a leaky faucet is a big deal

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because normally it just all drains down

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and it's gone however when you get in

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space a leaky faucet is kind of a

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problem because what you get is a ball

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of water on the end of the faucet that

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keeps getting bigger and bigger and

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bigger and if it breaks away and go

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behind the instrument panel and could

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cause lots of electrical problems I am

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convinced that the solution to this

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problem is why we send people into space

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rather than robots because robots would

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never figure this out you'll never guess

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what the solution was well the solution

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was we got a towel and we wrapped it

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around that bubble of water and we

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absorbed it a very simple thing but a

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robot would never think about that

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anyway there

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a couple of other surprises that I

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probably should and I don't want

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to put my commander down but I thought

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maybe I should mention a couple of

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things one is when the first stage shut

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down during our launch Jim Irwin and I

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found ourselves flailing like crazy to

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stay away from the instrument panel

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because we're going from four and a half

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G's one way to maybe a half a G the

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other way that was a big surprise and I

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recall Jim and I both looking at Dave

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and saying hmm what about that and they

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said she guys I forgot to tell you about

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that a couple of things like woke up the

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next morning after we got in space had

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the worst back ache of my life and Dave

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says gee guys have forgot to tell you

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about that so there's a couple of things

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like that no big deal you know we

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survived it it was fine but from the

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mechanical standpoint we only had two

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things that I can think of one was the

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water leak and the other was we had a

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short in one of the electrical lines to

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the service propulsion system engine

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that we had to work around and assorted

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things I can think of oh the glass of

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the lunar module

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yeah whatever Jim took care of that oh

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he did oh so that was that with duct

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tape actually had it was vacuum cleaner

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what if vacuum cleaner one of the panels

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on one of the instruments broke during

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launch and there were glass shards

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floating around Jim went into the lunar

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module to check it out the glass shards

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all over the place so that got handled

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by a quick call down to MCC get the

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vacuum cleaner and suck it all up and we

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clean that dude up too we're not sure we

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got it all though are we I mean we never

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really were assured that everything was

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cleaned up probably now that was enough

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so that didn't cause any problem you

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know it was a very clean flight probably

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those kind of things happened on several

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of the flights but we had some really

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serious stuff that we had to deal with

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and 15 was one of those that we just

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kind of sailed through before I get too

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far from the science I want to jump over

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to Jack give us your recollection

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about all that has training engineers

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and fighter pilots and all that kind of

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thing trying to teach him to have

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science in flight directors one of the

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first things that I realized after

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joining the astronaut corps in 1965-66

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was that pilots are very much like

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geologists they're good observers and so

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I felt we had wrong meat to work with

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because that's all a good geologist

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pretends to be is a good observer what

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we had to do was give him some feeling

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for why they were going to observe

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things on the moon that was a little

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more challenging but nevertheless with

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the help of people like Lee silver and

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dick Johns and others that I called in

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to the effort and and I particularly

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have to acknowledge Jim Lovells

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leadership because al Shepard told me

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that if you're gonna do that kind of

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training change the whole paradigm and

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bring it into the astronaut office you

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got to have somebody to lead and Jim

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Lovells and up next and so I went to Jim

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and I said Jim would you like to try

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this training program and he said sure

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why not and even though he didn't get to

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practice it on the moon he sort of led

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the effort to make it legitimate within

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the office very very important and at

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the same time people over in Mission

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Control I hate to give them credit for

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anything but yeah at the same time

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people over there Gene Kranz Jerry

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they they became interested early even

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earlier than that in having a science

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support room and many of the same people

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that helped Dave out and Jim Irwin out

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were people that were going to be in

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that science support room and and I have

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to then bring in another name Gordon

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00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:14,500
Swan many of you remember who worked

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with Gene Kranz and and others to create

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the science support room which has

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continued I guess to this day as an

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important part of the of the Mission

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Control operation and indeed participate

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even participated in the final Sims

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that you all had an

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we had on there on succeeding missions

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so when you're dealing with raw material

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like engineers and pilots who really are

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00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:42,990
basically observers and and rapid

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thinkers and people who like to look at

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alternative of what geologists like to

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00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,040
call multiple working hypotheses on how

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00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:52,980
to solve problems III think it was a

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foregone conclusion that with these

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kinds of people carrying the torch for

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science that it was going to be very

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successful and indeed it was my science

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00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:04,080
colleagues will tell you that the apollo

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suite of samples of apollo observations

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the images that were taken are really a

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remarkable reservoir of information

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about not on but about the early history

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00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:16,740
of the moon in the early history of our

545
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:19,880
earth and that and that continues today

546
00:35:25,070 --> 00:35:23,160
those those samples from apollo 15 and

547
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,080
all the missions are still being worked

548
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,839
on I don't know who's paying for it but

549
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:29,520
there are dedicated people out there

550
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:31,890
just learning all sorts of things all

551
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:34,650
the time about the moon and ultimately

552
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:36,330
about the earth by working on those

553
00:35:43,460 --> 00:35:39,240
samples so thanks guys okay thank you

554
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:43,470
jack we mentioned it's been mentioned

555
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:47,130
several times we had a lunar rover on

556
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:49,770
this on this flight for the first time I

557
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:52,290
wanted to get Dave maybe to say a little

558
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:53,910
bit what the rover what did Hannah like

559
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:56,790
and what it was like maybe get dicks

560
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,490
I know dick must have trained as a

561
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:02,520
backup and see if you correlated the

562
00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:05,400
what you did on the earth and then what

563
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:07,950
was it like what was comparatively like

564
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:10,170
when you got it on the winter surface

565
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:12,930
was it easier tougher harder well you

566
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:15,780
know it's interesting in that there's

567
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,839
really no comparison the rover was

568
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:21,359
designed to operate in one-sixth G on a

569
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:23,849
lunar surface and we can ever really

570
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:26,700
simulate that on the earth they tried to

571
00:36:31,579 --> 00:36:29,609
simulate one-sixth G and the the

572
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:31,589
centrifuge building on wires and that

573
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:34,560
didn't work you could drive it across a

574
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:36,690
trainer we had you could drive it across

575
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:41,040
the earth 1g that wasn't the same and

576
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:42,930
you really never got a chance

577
00:36:48,260 --> 00:36:46,050
to feel what it was like to drive it too

578
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:48,270
you got to the moon but I gotta tell you

579
00:36:52,339 --> 00:36:49,890
that's one of the most brilliant pieces

580
00:36:55,099 --> 00:36:52,349
of engineering this country or the world

581
00:36:58,579 --> 00:36:55,109
has ever come up with it was absolutely

582
00:37:00,380 --> 00:36:58,589
spectacular the way it unfolded and I

583
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:00,390
could go on for hours about that thing

584
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:02,609
but it was a as a lot of you already

585
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:05,609
know it's electrically powered car each

586
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,250
wheel had its independent drive and we

587
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:11,280
had front and rear steering on it so it

588
00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:13,980
could drive around rocks and boulders

589
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:16,040
and craters and a lunar surface is

590
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:18,329
absolutely irregular there's nothing

591
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:22,140
level about it there are small rocks big

592
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:24,750
rocks small craters big craters shadowed

593
00:37:30,609 --> 00:37:27,930
craters no craters it's really tough to

594
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:30,619
drive it on the other hand it's very

595
00:37:36,859 --> 00:37:34,020
responsive and it's just a superb piece

596
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,869
of machinery we went all of about 12

597
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:39,599
miles an hour but that's really fast on

598
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,470
a moon and the real challenge was poor

599
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,359
old Jim sitting in the right seat you

600
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:47,640
know when you're driving a car it's okay

601
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:49,380
you can drive the car the person in the

602
00:37:53,299 --> 00:37:50,940
car not knowing where you're going

603
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,309
has a tough time and hold Jim was

604
00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:56,400
hanging on for dear life but he said hey

605
00:38:00,500 --> 00:37:57,990
doesn't like a bucking bronco

606
00:38:03,319 --> 00:38:00,510
he said yeah it sure was anyway it was a

607
00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:03,329
brilliant piece of machinery it got us

608
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:06,900
around we went about 26 kilometers three

609
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:09,390
different sites and it provided the

610
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:13,290
transport not only for Gemini but for

611
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:15,720
extra geology tools and the rocks and

612
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:18,180
that sort of things so it was a fabulous

613
00:38:23,809 --> 00:38:20,970
machine and I wish dick it had a chance

614
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:23,819
to drive it on 18 it was his turn it was

615
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:26,280
his time to go and if somebody in this

616
00:38:33,529 --> 00:38:27,720
country will get around to it

617
00:38:42,999 --> 00:38:36,529
I could upend the 13th man to walk on

618
00:38:45,919 --> 00:38:43,009
the moon that's right a dick I know you

619
00:38:48,439 --> 00:38:45,929
as the backup commander went there a lot

620
00:38:52,309 --> 00:38:48,449
of the same stuff that that the prime

621
00:38:54,529 --> 00:38:52,319
crew did just tell us about that being

622
00:38:59,539 --> 00:38:54,539
our backup crewman for a lunar mission

623
00:39:02,389 --> 00:38:59,549
has to be a lot to do not nearly as much

624
00:39:07,729 --> 00:39:02,399
maybe is going don't have to do anything

625
00:39:11,899 --> 00:39:07,739
Dave and held it at all I just held

626
00:39:14,479 --> 00:39:11,909
their hands now and then Jerry excuse me

627
00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:14,489
just a minute Neil I want to add to your

628
00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:17,699
repertoire and sprinkle a little more

629
00:39:29,899 --> 00:39:21,630
salt water around 16 and 17 were

630
00:39:32,629 --> 00:39:29,909
commanded by naval aviators also I don't

631
00:39:34,819 --> 00:39:32,639
know I think Al and I worked very very

632
00:39:38,419 --> 00:39:34,829
closely with Jaylin I probably spent

633
00:39:41,059 --> 00:39:38,429
more time together than anybody else

634
00:39:45,409 --> 00:39:41,069
because I worked back him backed up him

635
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:45,419
I get my eight through together train

636
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:48,569
with him on Apollo 9 or 12 and back to

637
00:39:56,209 --> 00:39:53,099
Dave on on 15 that I think it's a big

638
00:39:59,059 --> 00:39:56,219
thing which L came to me in and said

639
00:40:01,279 --> 00:39:59,069
look what just being alone and being on

640
00:40:03,019 --> 00:40:01,289
the back side of the moon what kind of

641
00:40:06,889 --> 00:40:03,029
support do you think you're gonna have

642
00:40:10,129 --> 00:40:06,899
and i said L don't want a and get her

643
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:10,139
remember what happens on the back side

644
00:40:24,999 --> 00:40:22,539
Communications yeah right you're out of

645
00:40:26,650 --> 00:40:25,009
sight of everybody right hey what are

646
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:26,660
you living whatever happens back there

647
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,150
right is that what your face back well

648
00:40:34,569 --> 00:40:31,599
you should know you were there before me

649
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:34,579
that's all anything anything you called

650
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:36,890
me dick you know I took everything you

651
00:40:58,539 --> 00:40:46,940
told me very seriously okay that's

652
00:41:00,699 --> 00:40:58,549
probably enough of that I've heard that

653
00:41:02,949 --> 00:41:00,709
for 40 years tell them about flight from

654
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:02,959
El Paso look ease you never know what to

655
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:05,950
do I think I'm losing control here so I

656
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:09,529
know I want to change this you asked

657
00:41:14,859 --> 00:41:12,229
about a support group for the command

658
00:41:17,890 --> 00:41:14,869
module pilots and I think we really need

659
00:41:19,289 --> 00:41:17,900
to have one because there were 12 guys

660
00:41:23,259 --> 00:41:19,299
walked on the moon

661
00:41:25,209 --> 00:41:23,269
we call them moon walkers I wonder if

662
00:41:30,099 --> 00:41:25,219
that has anything to do with Michael

663
00:41:32,019 --> 00:41:30,109
Jackson if there are only six of us that

664
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:32,029
were by ourselves in the command module

665
00:41:36,819 --> 00:41:35,209
so we do need a support group there's no

666
00:41:44,489 --> 00:41:36,829
question there's no doubt about it

667
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:49,539
we do need a little support okay we got

668
00:41:53,529 --> 00:41:51,400
down to the moon we'll come back to the

669
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:53,539
advanced in a second but we got down to

670
00:41:59,920 --> 00:41:58,160
the moon and of course JoEllen was he

671
00:42:04,150 --> 00:41:59,930
was the voice during that whole period

672
00:42:06,999 --> 00:42:04,160
and I can remember and I was flight

673
00:42:10,059 --> 00:42:07,009
director for most of that and I can

674
00:42:13,809 --> 00:42:10,069
remember some fantastic shots at Hadley

675
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:13,819
rail or the boggy Marsh or whoever you

676
00:42:22,949 --> 00:42:19,849
landed and Joe say something about the

677
00:42:25,959 --> 00:42:22,959
Evie ace they were pretty dynamic and

678
00:42:27,999 --> 00:42:25,969
some tremendous pictures were taken and

679
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:28,009
actually with the rover we had

680
00:42:33,049 --> 00:42:30,630
essentially full-time television

681
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:33,059
and it was pretty high death for its day

682
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:36,660
it was very very clear we could see just

683
00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:38,609
if they position and we could actually

684
00:42:44,839 --> 00:42:41,190
control it on the ground too but we had

685
00:42:46,099 --> 00:42:44,849
some great great shots so Joe talked

686
00:42:48,049 --> 00:42:46,109
about the EVs

687
00:42:50,509 --> 00:42:48,059
Jerry Jerry thank you I really

688
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:50,519
appreciate this again I'm Joe Allen I'm

689
00:42:57,499 --> 00:42:53,160
at most a very small footnote in this

690
00:43:00,099 --> 00:42:57,509
cast of characters but I had I had a

691
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:00,109
great fun as the capsule communicator

692
00:43:08,539 --> 00:43:05,130
during this time and Jim and Dave always

693
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,549
and al you referred to me as Joe during

694
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:10,380
that time I got several letters

695
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:12,210
addressed to Joe United States of

696
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:14,460
America then it came from all over the

697
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:16,380
world and it came to me there was

698
00:43:21,769 --> 00:43:20,130
another letter that came and Jerry I'm

699
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,779
not sure I've forgiven you for this yet

700
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,240
you had it read I think during one of

701
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:26,640
the nighttime shifts we were not on but

702
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:30,390
it was read on the net to NASA public

703
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,180
affairs and it read as follows hi my

704
00:43:41,509 --> 00:43:38,880
name is Michael I'm a 14 year old kid in

705
00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:41,519
Kansas I know I'm too young to be an

706
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:44,369
astronaut but this job of Joe looks

707
00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:49,980
really easy and I would like to do it on

708
00:44:00,289 --> 00:43:54,809
Apollo 16 and 17 and everybody found

709
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:00,299
that very amusing Jerry except me Neil

710
00:44:07,099 --> 00:44:03,240
thank you for your remarks I although I

711
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:07,109
take a little issue with the title of

712
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:09,000
the site you know you landed in this sea

713
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:11,250
of Trent tranquility and if memory

714
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:13,369
serves there's a park in Houston

715
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,579
tranquility park dedicated and at that

716
00:44:28,509 --> 00:44:19,140
time you observed it was lucky you

717
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:31,819
now Jerry Eirik question to me the EPA's

718
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:37,079
Navy A's they were extraordinary and we

719
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:38,609
had very good communication we had very

720
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:42,420
good TV coverage as Jerry recalls I also

721
00:44:49,249 --> 00:44:47,160
worked under Jerry's direction and

722
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:49,259
tutelage and as I've done most of my

723
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:52,529
life and Jerry it was great fun we had

724
00:44:57,499 --> 00:44:55,049
so enjoyed Dave working with you and

725
00:44:59,839 --> 00:44:57,509
your crew but I also enjoyed working

726
00:45:01,970 --> 00:44:59,849
with Gene Kranz and Jerry and others and

727
00:45:04,819 --> 00:45:01,980
I remember when you and Jim were

728
00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:04,829
wrestling with the drill stuck in the

729
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:08,759
moon there were other glitches going on

730
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:11,369
and Jerry turned to me and said Joe get

731
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:13,049
the drill out of the moon I'll deal with

732
00:45:18,049 --> 00:45:14,670
the other glitches I don't know if you

733
00:45:21,049 --> 00:45:18,059
remember and you and Jim were able to

734
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:21,059
get the drill out of the moon and I said

735
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:22,730
thank goodness I don't let the air out

736
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:27,089
but it didn't and the drill came up and

737
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:28,619
it was the first course Thames that came

738
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:30,089
back from the lunar surface that were

739
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:32,970
really terrific and I think Jackie would

740
00:45:38,539 --> 00:45:34,950
know more about the science that came

741
00:45:42,529 --> 00:45:38,549
from that but the last thing that I'll

742
00:45:44,479 --> 00:45:42,539
mention is I had studied physics in

743
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:44,489
Germany for a couple of years and there

744
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:46,470
were a number of television stations

745
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:48,660
from all over the world and at the end

746
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:49,380
of my shift

747
00:45:55,789 --> 00:45:51,450
they had press conferences and I did an

748
00:45:57,859 --> 00:45:55,799
interview to Germany in in German to

749
00:45:59,029 --> 00:45:57,869
several television and radio stations

750
00:46:00,739 --> 00:45:59,039
there and at the end of it I said this

751
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:00,749
is remarkable I've never made a call

752
00:46:05,019 --> 00:46:02,609
across the Atlantic Ocean before and

753
00:46:10,009 --> 00:46:05,029
they looked at me like I was crazy

754
00:46:15,019 --> 00:46:10,019
because I'd been talking to the moon for

755
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,029
four hours and in a sense that puts that

756
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,220
puts this mission in context of the

757
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:20,400
technology that we had then it was so

758
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,170
expensive to make a call across the

759
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:25,680
Atlantic Ocean we we government workers

760
00:46:29,749 --> 00:46:27,569
couldn't afford to do it and yet we were

761
00:46:33,769 --> 00:46:29,759
talking back and forth to the moon what

762
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:33,779
a time what an era and there will come a

763
00:46:37,070 --> 00:46:36,630
time when humans try to go back to the

764
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:37,080
moon and there

765
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:40,130
gonna discover how difficult it is it is

766
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,790
you know go ahead Dave a little side

767
00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:50,880
story here part of our geology training

768
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,390
actually was to get together in the crew

769
00:46:58,060 --> 00:46:56,700
quarters after dinner with geologists

770
00:47:01,310 --> 00:46:58,070
who would lecture and we talked about

771
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:01,320
going to Hadley Marsh Hadley real what

772
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:03,090
do we want to call it bloody things and

773
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:05,910
and what was there and what we did and

774
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:08,430
what we should do and we had the whole

775
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:11,370
team there including Joe Joe was also

776
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:15,030
our chief scientist for the crew and I

777
00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:18,470
gotta tell you Joe did a magnificent job

778
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:20,340
communicating with us on the moon

779
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:24,180
because sometimes Jim and I weren't

780
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:28,110
exactly communicative but Joe smoothed

781
00:47:33,590 --> 00:47:32,160
it over with him but nevertheless one

782
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:33,600
evening we're having this discussion

783
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:36,300
with a geologists and you know we'd have

784
00:47:39,110 --> 00:47:38,370
a have a drink before dinner and have a

785
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:39,120
nice dinner

786
00:47:44,330 --> 00:47:42,420
Lou our our chef and then we go into the

787
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:44,340
conference room and have a geology

788
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,230
lecture and talk about all sorts of

789
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:48,300
things and one of the things we talked

790
00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:50,610
about was names of the craters because

791
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:53,820
we had to cover so much area we had to

792
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:55,890
have names rather than numbers but

793
00:47:59,840 --> 00:47:57,570
another thing we talked about towards

794
00:48:04,000 --> 00:47:59,850
the end of the training was what can we

795
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:04,010
do on 15 that would be unique

796
00:48:12,110 --> 00:48:08,460
interesting educational and fun well

797
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:12,120
probably the most Inc the most video the

798
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:15,720
kids see about Apollo 15 these days is a

799
00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:18,270
hammer and the feather yep that was

800
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:21,840
Joe's idea it was his idea to come up

801
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:22,530
with it

802
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:26,550
and say hey here is a lesson for the

803
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,700
kids that you can do and Joe thanks a

804
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:32,160
bunch I mean we got more mileage on that

805
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:34,110
than anything we did believe it or not

806
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:38,040
but that was Joe's idea great Jackie and

807
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:41,010
one thing you just speaking of mileage

808
00:48:47,660 --> 00:48:44,730
Joe mentioned one thing my mentor in the

809
00:48:50,110 --> 00:48:47,670
US Geological Survey gene shoemaker that

810
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:50,120
you all many of you have met

811
00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:53,150
in the late gene shoemaker used the term

812
00:49:01,930 --> 00:48:57,500
perspicacious for what he wanted people

813
00:49:05,650 --> 00:49:01,940
on the moon to be and the Apollo 15 pair

814
00:49:09,370 --> 00:49:05,660
Dave and Jim were perspicacious enough

815
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:09,380
to recognize on their Eevee a that

816
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:11,270
something was very different in one

817
00:49:16,570 --> 00:49:13,940
location and they immediately

818
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:16,580
photographed it and sampled it that

819
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:21,520
sample sort of lay undiscovered almost

820
00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:25,370
until a gene and I found the orange soil

821
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:27,380
on Apollo 17 and all of a sudden

822
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:31,010
somebody remembered that Apollo 15 had

823
00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:34,880
sampled green soil and it turns out

824
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:38,150
those two samples are probably the right

825
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:41,270
now are the hottest items in the lunar

826
00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:43,850
sample community because within them

827
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:46,460
they now have found the existence of

828
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:49,850
water within the glass and and thanks

829
00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:52,190
guys you may not be aware of just how

830
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,740
important but your sample was and and

831
00:49:58,660 --> 00:49:57,200
and it just shows you that the value of

832
00:50:01,110 --> 00:49:58,670
the kind of training and the value the

833
00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:01,120
kind of people that we sent to the moon

834
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:05,360
L short I just want to make a very quick

835
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:09,350
comment it's always been interesting to

836
00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:12,470
me that there are several dozen

837
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:14,750
geologists training two guys to walk

838
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:16,790
around on about a one square mile

839
00:50:23,260 --> 00:50:19,940
surface area of the Moon and there's one

840
00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:23,270
guy who trained us for lunar geology

841
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:26,900
where we covered 25% of the moon dick

842
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:28,940
and I so I just always thought that was

843
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:30,470
kind of interesting that they had all

844
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:32,510
the help they had all the help they

845
00:50:42,910 --> 00:50:38,390
could use right and that could have used

846
00:50:46,930 --> 00:50:42,920
some more I want to say something about

847
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:46,940
Joe I'm sure most of you know it after

848
00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:48,950
Apollo Joe went on to fly the shuttle

849
00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:53,480
twice and did some AV a work which was

850
00:50:58,510 --> 00:50:55,790
pretty fantastic I still think the shot

851
00:50:59,980 --> 00:50:58,520
of the view standing on the rail is that

852
00:51:01,900 --> 00:50:59,990
recall it was on the rail so I've got a

853
00:51:03,130 --> 00:51:01,910
foothold or something holding a

854
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:03,140
satellite that

855
00:51:09,610 --> 00:51:05,960
had retrieved that was humongous and

856
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:09,620
here's Joe hanging on to that thing and

857
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:12,410
it was a great shot but anyway Joe did

858
00:51:16,450 --> 00:51:14,780
go on to Jerry that's when you and I

859
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:16,460
were both six feet tall that's right

860
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:17,740
that's right

861
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:20,510
it's four that's four this curry got to

862
00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:24,290
us and kind of the segue into Vance

863
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:29,390
brand Vance was getting ready as a

864
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:33,350
backup on 15 would have been on 18 and I

865
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:34,910
want him to talk about that experience

866
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:39,290
because he then did go fly ASDP he was

867
00:51:46,090 --> 00:51:41,900
command module pilot on a STP and he

868
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,100
commanded three shuttle flights so we

869
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,280
got a guy sitting almost right in the

870
00:51:53,170 --> 00:51:51,920
middle there that has flown in space a

871
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:53,180
bunch Vance

872
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:55,970
tell us about getting ready for for this

873
00:51:59,830 --> 00:51:58,130
mission and how that mate you might even

874
00:52:03,430 --> 00:51:59,840
make a segue to how that helped you on a

875
00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:03,440
STP if it did and then on end of the

876
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:08,900
shuttle okay well first let me point out

877
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,070
that we had four four rookies on the

878
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:15,920
mission and we had two experienced guys

879
00:52:23,740 --> 00:52:20,720
and so these two leaders experienced

880
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:23,750
guys who did a terrific job Dave and

881
00:52:33,790 --> 00:52:27,680
dick they had quite a burden dealing

882
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:33,800
with four rookies i I was I guess what

883
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:36,440
you'd call junior rookie because three

884
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:39,140
of them were on prime crews and I was on

885
00:52:45,550 --> 00:52:43,460
a backup crew but I I really learned a

886
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:45,560
lot out of that I learned the command

887
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:48,820
module and the mission and by observing

888
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:53,570
our two leaders learned quite a bit

889
00:52:59,320 --> 00:52:56,960
about leadership I don't know whatever

890
00:53:02,710 --> 00:52:59,330
applied it later but

891
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:02,720
I learned a lot

892
00:53:07,630 --> 00:53:05,690
after ask Joe I guess because he and I

893
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:07,640
flew on one of the shuttle missions

894
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:12,490
together but the mission was just

895
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:17,030
fascinating it was the best job you

896
00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:21,020
could have to be a prime Mora backup on

897
00:53:28,450 --> 00:53:24,470
that mission and so it

898
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:28,460
I felt really got me ready for for later

899
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:32,720
on and of course we've never Jack and

900
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:36,770
I've never forgotten a good relationship

901
00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:40,810
with we had with our commander dick

902
00:53:49,830 --> 00:53:43,160
matter of fact we still call him the

903
00:54:04,620 --> 00:53:54,570
but anyway it was really great

904
00:54:09,610 --> 00:54:04,630
beneficial great we yes you may

905
00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:09,620
commander during this this will be my

906
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:12,560
last one I'm sure but you know during

907
00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:16,730
the limb liftoff essence station lunar

908
00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:18,740
surface just as they lift it off there

909
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:21,950
was just hellacious racket they came

910
00:54:30,190 --> 00:54:24,950
over the net somebody was playing some

911
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:30,200
very very loud music and nobody could

912
00:54:37,180 --> 00:54:32,300
figure out where in the world it came

913
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:37,190
from and nobody could talk while this

914
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:40,850
music was L this is my story just a mice

915
00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:42,980
going on here well listen and you'll

916
00:54:50,620 --> 00:54:46,940
learn something I don't think so deal

917
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,630
with it anyway it went on for several

918
00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:52,640
minutes and nobody could talk to anybody

919
00:54:59,470 --> 00:54:56,300
I have a two-part question now what did

920
00:55:03,130 --> 00:54:59,480
what what yeah for you what what did

921
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:03,140
Dave say to you after that when he got

922
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:05,660
back in a command module the second part

923
00:55:12,980 --> 00:55:08,270
of the question is there was three Air

924
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:12,990
Force guys l Dave and Jim superb

925
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:15,390
force pilots but I would like to know

926
00:55:22,359 --> 00:55:18,570
the music that you played at liftoff why

927
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,369
the hell did you select Anchors Away

928
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:25,440
alright let me let me let me let me

929
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:30,230
answer your second question first right

930
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:32,700
David Jim had been on a lunar surface

931
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:35,160
for three days driving a Jeep and

932
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:38,730
walking that is not a normal job for an

933
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,369
Air Force guy right Air Force people

934
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:44,160
generally fly airplanes that are in the

935
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,130
sky I thought it only appropriate to

936
00:55:50,660 --> 00:55:49,200
play the Air Force song as they're

937
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:50,670
getting ready to come off service now I

938
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,940
have to admit I play I thought I was

939
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:56,160
playing into Mission Control but what I

940
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,570
didn't know is that I think Mission

941
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,640
Control had to switch up that

942
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:01,440
retransmitted it back to the lunar

943
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:04,290
module and they got it in their ear as

944
00:56:08,180 --> 00:56:05,670
they're getting ready to take off on the

945
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,190
moon and I'm sorry I apologize one more

946
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,040
time I know I apologized in orbit after

947
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:13,619
you guys docked but I'll apologize one

948
00:56:19,099 --> 00:56:17,640
more time for Mission Control yeah he

949
00:56:26,810 --> 00:56:19,109
says we had a switch in the wrong

950
00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:26,820
position yeah okay we saw a thing they

951
00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:29,160
say something about the Fallen astronaut

952
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:31,320
memorial just you know kind of had that

953
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:35,250
all came about we saw the picture here

954
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:39,420
in the video and we had these

955
00:56:43,580 --> 00:56:41,970
conversations about what do you do you

956
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:43,590
know we trained geology we learn how to

957
00:56:48,830 --> 00:56:45,320
land on the moon lltv

958
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:48,840
algae VA you know heavy duty training

959
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,780
but we also took some time in evenings

960
00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:53,760
or at the beach house to talk about

961
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:56,550
other parts of the life in the world and

962
00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:59,160
what you do and we were fortunate that

963
00:57:04,580 --> 00:57:02,130
there were fourteen guys who put their

964
00:57:07,550 --> 00:57:04,590
lives down so that we could get to where

965
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:07,560
we were and we decided one evening

966
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:09,990
sometime I don't remember when but we

967
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:12,540
thought we should recognize them and

968
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:15,090
honor them for contributing all they had

969
00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:18,030
so we could get to where we were so we

970
00:57:22,670 --> 00:57:20,340
had this little plaque design the little

971
00:57:24,620 --> 00:57:22,680
model of a fallen astronaut and one of

972
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:24,630
the last things I did on a moon

973
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:27,240
fact Jim reminded me of it we're closing

974
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:30,300
out had to put the rover back in the

975
00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:33,240
back so the TV could be pointed and you

976
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:35,670
know one thing I liked about Jim people

977
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:37,890
though Jim and I were we really were

978
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:40,530
like brothers we had signals we had all

979
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:44,370
sorts of intuitive signals about doing

980
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:46,350
this or doing that and missing this and

981
00:57:51,350 --> 00:57:48,810
missing that or getting it done and Jim

982
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:51,360
sort of did me this as we were closing

983
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:53,850
out and pointed down at a pocket and I

984
00:57:58,550 --> 00:57:55,530
had to plaque in my pocket and I thought

985
00:58:00,940 --> 00:57:58,560
oh yep I better do that so I went out

986
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,950
and I put the plaque out and a little

987
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:03,180
miniature astronaut out there took a

988
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:05,220
couple pictures and I felt pretty good

989
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:07,290
about that and so did Jim and so did al

990
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:10,470
that we recognized some guys who had

991
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:12,630
really on both sides of the Iron Curtain

992
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,140
who had really contributed everything to

993
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:19,140
get to where we were which was fortunate

994
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:21,540
for us and we appreciated all that and

995
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:24,570
wanted to leave something for them great

996
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,910
it was a great deal I didn't know about

997
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:29,280
it until he got back actually but now

998
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:35,430
there were many coins it was that was

999
00:58:42,350 --> 00:58:38,010
fine I didn't need to know

1000
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:42,360
Oh everything now let me one final thing

1001
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:44,490
that I wanted to talk about the mission

1002
00:58:51,350 --> 00:58:47,940
itself and then I'm gonna let Dave have

1003
00:58:55,850 --> 00:58:51,360
some time here you noticed in the

1004
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:55,860
picture that on when they landed one of

1005
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,760
the shoots had collapsed and I went back

1006
00:59:05,570 --> 00:59:01,680
over that transcript before I came out

1007
00:59:07,580 --> 00:59:05,580
here and I want to ask you al to kind of

1008
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:07,590
go through that sequence turns out we

1009
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:10,410
only needed two shoots it was two shoots

1010
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:13,230
for safe but describe it what you saw

1011
00:59:19,550 --> 00:59:15,420
when you saw and also what the landing

1012
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:19,560
was like in terms of you know that's

1013
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:21,330
that that's kind of an interesting

1014
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:23,730
question in light of some discussions

1015
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:25,910
that we had this afternoon on the bus

1016
00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:28,290
because what we were told on the bus

1017
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,590
today was that some of the analysis of

1018
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:34,260
the problem of that shoot had to do with

1019
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:37,980
a d-ring or something that came loose

1020
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:43,590
and the risers let loose right and that

1021
00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:47,790
the other side of that story was that we

1022
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:49,350
had perched the fuel lines of the

1023
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:51,420
hypergolic sand they went up in the they

1024
00:59:55,790 --> 00:59:53,730
followed the rises up and they burned

1025
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:55,800
big holes in the parachute

1026
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:02,160
I am absolutely amazed at these guys who

1027
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:05,490
make analyses of what happened on a

1028
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:08,730
flight without asking me what I'm

1029
01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:10,859
sitting there in my seat looking out the

1030
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:13,950
window and watching it happen he's

1031
01:00:17,330 --> 01:00:14,609
nobody

1032
01:00:20,090 --> 01:00:17,340
you said a word you saw three sheets

1033
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:20,100
right I saw three shoots I saw holes

1034
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,290
develop in one chute get bigger and

1035
01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:24,720
bigger and bigger this I never saw

1036
01:00:30,020 --> 01:00:28,040
a riser go bad there was no such thing I

1037
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:30,030
saw the holes get bigger and bigger

1038
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:34,440
bigger to shoot finally streamed we came

1039
01:00:38,420 --> 01:00:36,750
down on two shoots as we were as we were

1040
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:38,430
getting down to the water

1041
01:00:43,790 --> 01:00:41,400
the second shoot was developing holes oh

1042
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:43,800
no we lost all the shoots because when

1043
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:45,780
they when they cut loose they they

1044
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,790
stopped saying I never got it back but

1045
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:49,680
we lost the one shoot and it was because

1046
01:00:55,310 --> 01:00:51,900
of the the fuel fuel purge on the way

1047
01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:55,320
down what was their landing like curious

1048
01:01:00,080 --> 01:00:58,380
was it hard how would I know yeah it's

1049
01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:00,090
all over before I even thought about it

1050
01:01:05,060 --> 01:01:02,430
they're all different and I might make a

1051
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:05,070
point relative to what commander Gordon

1052
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:07,740
has discussed this evening well you know

1053
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:10,619
when the command module lands in the

1054
01:01:17,980 --> 01:01:14,250
water there are two stable positions and

1055
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:17,990
it's floating one is with the apex up

1056
01:01:24,050 --> 01:01:21,000
which is called stable one and the

1057
01:01:26,090 --> 01:01:24,060
others who are the apex down which is

1058
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:26,100
pointing down into the water which is

1059
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:28,290
called stable two and there are some

1060
01:01:33,220 --> 01:01:30,390
balloons that you blow up to get it back

1061
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:33,230
up well I would like to make the point

1062
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:37,820
the Air Force crew stayed in stable one

1063
01:01:44,810 --> 01:01:41,070
somewhere the naval crews ended up and

1064
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:44,820
stable - they like stable - maybe guys

1065
01:01:48,860 --> 01:01:46,800
like stable - right I guess they like to

1066
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:48,870
swim

1067
01:01:54,570 --> 01:01:52,870
twice as stable yeah well they're their

1068
01:01:56,790 --> 01:01:54,580
Navy guys they like to look out the

1069
01:01:59,640 --> 01:01:56,800
window into the water not into the air

1070
01:02:02,430 --> 01:01:59,650
right all right let me Joe

1071
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:02,440
30 seconds any final point you want to

1072
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:06,130
make no only that this is a great

1073
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,130
celebration and I want to thank the

1074
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,960
astronaut scholarship folks for

1075
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:12,880
organizing it Joe

1076
01:02:24,330 --> 01:02:19,740
I just great to see al and jim and well

1077
01:02:26,420 --> 01:02:24,340
another it's just these kind of

1078
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:26,430
gatherings bring us all together and

1079
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:29,530
their Bay had a chance to talk with a

1080
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,210
bunch of people who have been working

1081
01:02:36,270 --> 01:02:33,520
the shuttle for many years and if in a

1082
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:36,280
couple who actually worked Apollo they

1083
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:38,650
all seem to be younger than those of us

1084
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:40,990
up here well hard to believe and it's

1085
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:43,270
just been a wonderful occasion and I

1086
01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:45,130
joined Joe in thanking you all for

1087
01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:48,300
making it possible Vance

1088
01:02:55,950 --> 01:02:51,220
doesn't seem like 40 years went by real

1089
01:02:59,520 --> 01:02:55,960
fast one thing I would like to mention

1090
01:03:03,900 --> 01:02:59,530
is that you look around this place you

1091
01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:03,910
see the crawler the the Saturn five the

1092
01:03:12,540 --> 01:03:07,240
pad and everything you think back to the

1093
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:12,550
leaders we had back then George Lowe we

1094
01:03:21,870 --> 01:03:18,370
had a lot of leaders in some of them

1095
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:21,880
German some from in from England various

1096
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:26,170
parts of the world but they were all big

1097
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:30,130
thinkers and because of that big

1098
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:34,510
thinking why our country and history

1099
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,290
really benefited skill kids 500 years

1100
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:40,960
from now we'll know the name Neil

1101
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:46,210
Armstrong now I hope in the future we

1102
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:49,930
can continue at some kind of a pace like

1103
01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:54,450
that takes those kind of leaders and I

1104
01:04:00,010 --> 01:03:56,680
think it's great what we've done the

1105
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:00,020
last 50 years I just

1106
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:04,920
hope that someday we can be proceeding

1107
01:04:10,030 --> 01:04:08,640
like that in the future I'm not so sure

1108
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:10,040
we are yeah

1109
01:04:20,750 --> 01:04:16,890
dick dick Garriott there's a real

1110
01:04:23,740 --> 01:04:20,760
privilege for me to have worked with

1111
01:04:28,670 --> 01:04:23,750
Dave for so many trips around the horn

1112
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:28,680
and al and jim they taught me a lot i

1113
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:31,020
thought i knew everything and i learned

1114
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:33,810
from them and i hardly knew anything but

1115
01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:36,690
by working with them they trained me

1116
01:04:45,620 --> 01:04:40,260
very well for my next flight on Apollo 7

1117
01:04:51,050 --> 01:04:45,630
Oh scuse me 18 and I thank you both very

1118
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:51,060
much for that well I just quickly like

1119
01:04:58,180 --> 01:04:56,250
to say how honored and pleased and happy

1120
01:05:01,460 --> 01:04:58,190
I am that you're all here tonight

1121
01:05:06,350 --> 01:05:01,470
helping us celebrate something that

1122
01:05:08,540 --> 01:05:06,360
occurred 40 years ago that was maybe one

1123
01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:08,550
of the best things this country has ever

1124
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:10,950
done we do not see that today we won't

1125
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:13,650
see that for a while and I think it's

1126
01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:17,010
just wonderful that you are here to help

1127
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:19,260
us celebrate the 40th anniversary of

1128
01:05:22,910 --> 01:05:22,140
Apollo 15 and I thank you all very very

1129
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:22,920
much

1130
01:05:30,050 --> 01:05:26,520
thank you okay and we will leave the

1131
01:05:34,070 --> 01:05:30,060
final word to Dave Scott commander of

1132
01:05:40,220 --> 01:05:34,080
Apollo 15 well let me take a couple

1133
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:40,230
minutes a lot of things struck me today

1134
01:05:46,460 --> 01:05:43,230
one of which was I keep hearing 40 years

1135
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:46,470
40 years 40 years 40 years and a good

1136
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:50,730
grief 40 years out 40 years younger than

1137
01:05:59,540 --> 01:05:54,930
I am Dave but it's rather remarkable but

1138
01:06:02,660 --> 01:05:59,550
we we took a little tour today and we

1139
01:06:04,340 --> 01:06:02,670
went out past the beach house because I

1140
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:04,350
wanted my family to see the beach house

1141
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:07,380
and few people realize that during

1142
01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:10,500
Apollo we'd spend two to three weeks a

1143
01:06:15,590 --> 01:06:14,040
month here our simulators were here

1144
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,600
command module the lunar module

1145
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:17,520
simulator the spacecraft went through

1146
01:06:22,220 --> 01:06:19,770
all sorts of altitude chamber tests a

1147
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:22,230
lot of other tests to Rockpile the suits

1148
01:06:27,260 --> 01:06:25,650
we spent a lot of time here and we went

1149
01:06:30,740 --> 01:06:27,270
out to the beach house which was a

1150
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:30,750
sanctuary a place we could go without

1151
01:06:35,090 --> 01:06:33,330
having anybody come up to us and because

1152
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:35,100
of all the things going on we walked

1153
01:06:39,260 --> 01:06:37,380
down a hall and a guy would come up but

1154
01:06:40,310 --> 01:06:39,270
good intention to say you got a minute

1155
01:06:44,330 --> 01:06:40,320
you got a minute

1156
01:06:46,490 --> 01:06:44,340
could go out to the beach house and do

1157
01:06:48,740 --> 01:06:46,500
some thinking so I wanted people to see

1158
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:48,750
that but on the way to the beach house

1159
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:52,680
we went past pad 19 that's the gym and I

1160
01:06:57,590 --> 01:06:55,680
pad and that brought back some some old

1161
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:57,600
memories for me

1162
01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:00,660
in fact I recalled that when Neil and I

1163
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:02,520
were down here getting ready for Gemini

1164
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:07,290
8 early in 1966 we were here one weekend

1165
01:07:11,090 --> 01:07:09,390
and we thought well let's go look at the

1166
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:11,100
Apollo stuff because they were just

1167
01:07:17,570 --> 01:07:14,810
building it and so we drove up to the

1168
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:17,580
VAB was being built and the firing was

1169
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:20,790
built being built and of course into the

1170
01:07:25,550 --> 01:07:23,970
block house on pad 19 they have

1171
01:07:28,430 --> 01:07:25,560
something like I don't know 20 25

1172
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:28,440
consoles in this big bunker and we

1173
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:31,230
walked into the firing room for Apollo

1174
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:35,310
and there were 240 consoles in there and

1175
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:37,530
I remember looking at Neil and I thought

1176
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:41,730
no way there's no way this is going to

1177
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:44,250
work and we went into the VAB which a

1178
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:46,200
lot of you saw today and you look up at

1179
01:07:52,220 --> 01:07:49,020
that and you say it ain't gonna work it

1180
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,230
is too big it is just too big and a

1181
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:54,720
remarkable thing about it is it all

1182
01:08:01,820 --> 01:07:58,250
worked we never had a Saturn failure

1183
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:01,830
almost every mission went on time with

1184
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:03,810
the exception of Jim Lovells bad break

1185
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:05,810
they brought him home and it worked

1186
01:08:12,830 --> 01:08:08,760
everything else work is absolutely

1187
01:08:15,230 --> 01:08:12,840
remarkable and it takes me back again to

1188
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:15,240
my beginnings in this business when I

1189
01:08:20,690 --> 01:08:17,850
flew on Jim Andy 8 and we had this

1190
01:08:24,339 --> 01:08:20,700
problem which Neil got us out of the

1191
01:08:26,499 --> 01:08:24,349
problem and I'll always be grateful Neil

1192
01:08:29,379 --> 01:08:26,509
forgiving us both the second chance

1193
01:08:31,419 --> 01:08:29,389
because Neil got us out of the box and

1194
01:08:33,550 --> 01:08:31,429
we got back down and we both had a

1195
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,560
second chance and for that I'll be ever

1196
01:08:45,339 --> 01:08:36,319
grateful you done good boss you done

1197
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:45,349
good and and then we get to 15 and I get

1198
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,270
the two best guys in the world

1199
01:08:51,729 --> 01:08:49,520
chairwoman bless his heart I loved him

1200
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:51,739
he was the best partner you could have

1201
01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:54,560
on a moon gym kept me squared away and

1202
01:08:58,859 --> 01:08:57,230
he always did it it was sort of like hey

1203
01:09:01,539 --> 01:08:58,869
Dave don't you think we ought to do this

1204
01:09:04,209 --> 01:09:01,549
which meant you're screwing up fix it

1205
01:09:06,970 --> 01:09:04,219
you know but he was a wonderful guy

1206
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:06,980
and I really really enjoyed my

1207
01:09:12,220 --> 01:09:08,810
relationship with Jim we had a great

1208
01:09:14,289 --> 01:09:12,230
time and we had al to take care of the

1209
01:09:16,660 --> 01:09:14,299
command module and you know he pointed

1210
01:09:18,999 --> 01:09:16,670
out we're on a surface for three days

1211
01:09:22,450 --> 01:09:19,009
and he was alone for three days and he

1212
01:09:25,689 --> 01:09:22,460
had to be there when we got back he had

1213
01:09:28,629 --> 01:09:25,699
to do a big maneuver to change planes so

1214
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:28,639
we could catch E and there he was all by

1215
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:31,130
himself I never worried one minute I was

1216
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:33,380
never concerned for one second I knew I

1217
01:09:43,689 --> 01:09:37,420
would be there so thanks he got us back

1218
01:09:46,539 --> 01:09:43,699
and then and a final thing that struck

1219
01:09:49,599 --> 01:09:46,549
me today we had this nice champagne

1220
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:49,609
reception and and Lynn you put a great

1221
01:09:53,649 --> 01:09:51,170
show together for us thank you

1222
01:09:56,109 --> 01:09:53,659
and the introduction and I was standing

1223
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,119
there looking you know I remember it

1224
01:10:01,419 --> 01:09:58,880
when I was a little kid and we used to

1225
01:10:03,069 --> 01:10:01,429
choose up sides to play game baseball or

1226
01:10:05,050 --> 01:10:03,079
basketball or something you know I

1227
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:05,060
always wanted to get on his side with

1228
01:10:08,919 --> 01:10:06,710
the big guys you know the guys are

1229
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:08,929
really good guys and I watched those

1230
01:10:14,260 --> 01:10:11,840
guys go back on that on the film today

1231
01:10:17,290 --> 01:10:14,270
at the champagne reception do you know

1232
01:10:20,050 --> 01:10:17,300
what those were the big guys that was a

1233
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:20,060
a squad those were the franchise players

1234
01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:23,329
that was the first team and I'm proud to

1235
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:25,790
have been included in that team and I

1236
01:10:29,799 --> 01:10:27,650
thank you guys all of you you're

1237
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:29,809
terrific

1238
01:10:41,410 --> 01:10:37,520
great well that does it I just want to

1239
01:10:45,879 --> 01:10:41,420
say I this has been a big honor to be

1240
01:10:49,390 --> 01:10:45,889
here kind of like going back to what

1241
01:10:52,209 --> 01:10:49,400
Dave did with getting the ground people

1242
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:52,219
involved in the in the geology training

1243
01:11:00,490 --> 01:10:57,110
along with Jack being included is super

1244
01:11:02,529 --> 01:11:00,500
it is a great honor and particularly to

1245
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:02,539
share this with people that have not

1246
01:11:09,339 --> 01:11:04,730
lived in this environment all the time

1247
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:09,349
is especially fun to do so all of you

1248
01:11:15,729 --> 01:11:12,770
that that have come from a long way of

1249
01:11:17,709 --> 01:11:15,739
way some of you and enjoyed I know of so

1250
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:17,719
far I think it's time to go get some

1251
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:21,409
dessert and I want to thank the panel

1252
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:24,650
except I sure feel sorry that I left Joe

1253
01:11:27,689 --> 01:11:26,449
out I don't think I'll never hear the

1254
01:11:29,649 --> 01:11:27,699
end of this one

1255
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:29,659
so with that I'm going to turn it back

1256
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:37,610
to Charlie bad guys like wait hold it we

1257
01:11:45,209 --> 01:11:40,010
want to get a photograph so hold you

1258
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:45,219
places and where's our photographer okay

1259
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:50,530
so look at the different boat that

1260
01:12:07,729 --> 01:11:53,090
photographers what do you want where do

1261
01:12:07,739 --> 01:12:34,940
I won in this okay okay

1262
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:37,760
thanks guys we appreciate it little

1263
01:12:42,620 --> 01:12:39,960
right evening we're gonna have dessert

1264
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:42,630
inside and coffee

1265
01:12:56,420 --> 01:12:52,150
okay and we still the option is still

1266
01:13:01,520 --> 01:12:56,430
open so please bid and bid high and you

1267
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:01,530
got till 10:40 to get your bids in so

1268
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:03,930
thanks to God for everybody Jerry and

1269
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:06,450
everybody for causing this it was a